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Good morning. I read on "motorcycle.com" about the models that Harley is discontinuing in 2022. There are many. The last one rumored is the Livewire. I contacted my rep at HD and asked him about this. He said "I can't comment on H_D's plans". Read the article and it is also on other M/C websites. HD might be looking at a smaller, less expensive EV.

Check with you rep's if you have one and see what they say. Victory had a very fast EV that won at Pikes Peak until Poares shut down for just Indian. Those bikes, where avail, were in the $20,000+ range and were selling for less than $7,00 (used) at Arlen Ness when it was still a dealership. I hope this wasn't a thirty thousand dollar loss.


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Just watched the 2021 "reveal" event...no mention at all of the Livewire. No 2021's listed on Harleys website. Ugh!
 

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Here are the models on the Harley-Davidson accessories page that list an end-of-run date of 2020 or 2021:
Sporster and Street:
  • Forty-Eight 2010-2021
  • Iron 1200 2018-2021
  • Iron 883 2009-2021
  • Roadster 2016-2020
  • Street 500 2015-2021
  • Street 750 2015-2020
  • Street Rod 2017-2020
Softail:
  • Breakout 114 2018-2020
  • Deluxe 2018-2020
  • FXDR 114 2019-2020
  • Low Rider 1987-2020
  • Street Bob 2018-2020
Touring:
  • Electra Glide 1984-2021
Electric:
  • Livewire 2020-2021
 

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If they discontinue it this soon, I’ll never buy another Harley.
What's the big deal? HD discontinues models every year. The FXDR was in production just 3 years. The Livewire is a sales flop so they'll come out with cheaper electric models if they decide to continue EVs.The Livewire has always been called a halo product but the problem was there were no other electric models to see. I won't feel cheated if the LW gets discontinued as I knew what I was buying.
 

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With the FXDR or sportster line, parts are pretty much interchangeable. Livewire is one of a kind. If they stop making it when will parts dry up as well since there is no other bike in their line up like it.
 

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With the FXDR or sportster line, parts are pretty much interchangeable. Livewire is one of a kind. If they stop making it when will parts dry up as well since there is no other bike in their line up like it.
The only non-interchangeable part is the battery pack. Part of the price to pay for being an early adopter if it does get cut.
 

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If they kill this bike...it will depreciate at a level that will make me sicker than I already am. My dealer said they are selling in 2021. Looks like no changes at all though. I sense this is the beginning of the end. No chance people are going to pay a premium for a bike that Harley looks like they have given up on.
 

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If they kill this bike...it will depreciate at a level that will make me sicker than I already am. My dealer said they are selling in 2021. Looks like no changes at all though. I sense this is the beginning of the end. No chance people are going to pay a premium for a bike that Harley looks like they have given up on.
Hope you didn't buy your LW as an investment. It's just another overpriced Harley.
 

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Hope you didn't buy your LW as an investment. It's just another overpriced Harley.
Uhhhh...I sure wouldn't buy a new bike and expect the entire technology to be abandoned within a year (especially with all the $$ Harley invested in it). Obviously all bikes depreciate, I try to stay away from higher than average depreciation bikes.
 

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Please consider writing Harley Davidson with your concerns at [email protected]

This is what I just emailed:

SUBJECT: Future Livewire Production

To Harley Davidson’s CEO and Upper Management (Please Forward),

There is currently a thread on the Harley Davidson Livewire Forum (www.hdlivewireforum.com) discussing concerns that the Livewire is going to be discontinued. While I understand the Livewire was never a monetary investment at $30k+, it is an investment in the future and a pleasure for today.

In attempting to assuage their concerns, I wrote that I remain optimistic Harley will remain liquid, and the Livewire will be around a while (modified and maybe called something else). My main reasoning is from my time in R&D for Freightliner Trucks. We never spent five years in R&D with any intention of dumping something that went into production. We made adjustments. If it was a valid technology, initial profit/non-profit margin aside, we rode out the investment. Daimler AG, parent company of Freightliner, remains the world's largest truck manufacturer because of this mentality.

I'm not in the boardroom with the CEO of Harley (who I hope reads this), but I remain hopeful Harley Davidson knows where the future is heading. And I remain hopeful the battery can be serviced, when that time comes.

All that noted, those on the forum (really all Livewire Owners) feel that if Harley sticks it to them (us), many will not only never buy another Harley, but the group is sure to poison the waters for any future Harley customers in our circle of influence (those who currently love our Livewires). Hopefully, that alone is motivation for Harley Davidson to keep producing a couple/few thousand a year.

I'm writing Harley Davidson Corporate to voice my thoughts on the Livewire and the need to continue production. I don't believe a word politicians have to say, but I do believe our voices matter to Corporate America. And I remain hopeful my future motorcycles will continue to be Harley Davidsons. Please do not let us down.

Thank you for your consideration in this matter,

Brad Higerd, P.E.
 

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Regarding the above email, I'm also planning to send the same (hardcopy) message to the following:

Harley-Davidson Customer Care
3700 W. Juneau Avenue
Milwaukee, WI 53208
 

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Please consider writing Harley Davidson with your concerns at [email protected]

This is what I just emailed:

SUBJECT: Future Livewire Production

To Harley Davidson’s CEO and Upper Management (Please Forward),

There is currently a thread on the Harley Davidson Livewire Forum (www.hdlivewireforum.com) discussing concerns that the Livewire is going to be discontinued. While I understand the Livewire was never a monetary investment at $30k+, it is an investment in the future and a pleasure for today.

In attempting to assuage their concerns, I wrote that I remain optimistic Harley will remain liquid, and the Livewire will be around a while (modified and maybe called something else). My main reasoning is from my time in R&D for Freightliner Trucks. We never spent five years in R&D with any intention of dumping something that went into production. We made adjustments. If it was a valid technology, initial profit/non-profit margin aside, we rode out the investment. Daimler AG, parent company of Freightliner, remains the world's largest truck manufacturer because of this mentality.

I'm not in the boardroom with the CEO of Harley (who I hope reads this), but I remain hopeful Harley Davidson knows where the future is heading. And I remain hopeful the battery can be serviced, when that time comes.

All that noted, those on the forum (really all Livewire Owners) feel that if Harley sticks it to them (us), many will not only never buy another Harley, but the group is sure to poison the waters for any future Harley customers in our circle of influence (those who currently love our Livewires). Hopefully, that alone is motivation for Harley Davidson to keep producing a couple/few thousand a year.

I'm writing Harley Davidson Corporate to voice my thoughts on the Livewire and the need to continue production. I don't believe a word politicians have to say, but I do believe our voices matter to Corporate America. And I remain hopeful my future motorcycles will continue to be Harley Davidsons. Please do not let us down.

Thank you for your consideration in this matter,

Brad Higerd, P.E.
I can't get over all this concern over an article on motorcycle.com.So they have an opinion that HD is going to stop production of the LW. Big deal! Another article from Electrex.com says no the LW will live on. What does HD say? HD says, from their web site, "2021 Livewire® coming this summer". Don't jump to conclusions and wait for HD to say something official. Attached a screen shot from HD web site and the electrex.com article.

 

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Mac Mike,
I actually believe you're right. But I'm not normally one to debate an unknown when it's just as easy to go directly to the source. I suspect there are no plans in the works to discontinue the bike, not with the focus Harley is placing on advertising it, and certainly not with the investment they've made thus far. Add that in China, my fiends tell me they can only get (cheap) electric motorcycles/motorbikes due to the pollution issues, no ICE cars and no ICE motorbikes anymore (unless you're filthy rich and connected to the Regime). The world is changing, and Harley Davidson saw it coming, howbeit with an overpriced version as you continually (and correctly) often note. The rumors go both ways, while Harley Davidson Upper Management is saying nothing about it, just advertising and holding events to sell more.
I see your position; hope you can see mine.
Meanwhile, I suspect we both bought ours with the same considerations: 1) it's crazy fun, and 2) why not.
As for my suggestion to contact the actual people making decisions, I stand by that. Beats any other approach I've ever taken. Works as a Christian as well; when I can talk to the One Who made man to help me with my challenges in life, why wouldn't I?
If I've never shared it on this forum, I enjoy varying opinions and most definitely yours. If I only listened to my own counsel, I would be a very narrow thinker.
Thanks for replying to my post!
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Mac Mike,
I actually believe you're right. But I'm not normally one to debate an unknown when it's just as easy to go directly to the source. I suspect there are no plans in the works to discontinue the bike, not with the focus Harley is placing on advertising it, and certainly not with the investment they've made thus far. Add that in China, my fiends tell me they can only get (cheap) electric motorcycles/motorbikes due to the pollution issues, no ICE cars and no ICE motorbikes anymore (unless you're filthy rich and connected to the Regime). The world is changing, and Harley Davidson saw it coming, howbeit with an overpriced version as you continually (and correctly) often note. The rumors go both ways, while Harley Davidson Upper Management is saying nothing about it, just advertising and holding events to sell more.
I see your position; hope you can see mine.
Meanwhile, I suspect we both bought ours with the same considerations: 1) it's crazy fun, and 2) why not.
As for my suggestion to contact the actual people making decisions, I stand by that. Beats any other approach I've ever taken. Works as a Christian as well; when I can talk to the One Who made man to help me with my challenges in life, why wouldn't I?
If I've never shared it on this forum, I enjoy varying opinions and most definitely yours. If I only listened to my own counsel, I would be a very narrow thinker.
Thanks for replying to my post!
Brad
I'm not here to debate anything I'm just stating my views on HD. I have no problems with anyones position or views.I just state my view of things related to others positions on the Livewire and HD. We are on the Livewire forum after all.

As for the LW Harley has always stated it is a halo product as I have mentioned many times before. So that statement by HD may be it may not be around for any length of time. Halo products are used to bring people in and see what is available. Harley's mistake was not having anything to back up the LW,as in other EVs, and over pricing the bike. Harley forgot Zero and Energica were already selling electric bike when they came out with Project Livewire in 2014. As I've mentioned countless times in this forum the Energica bikes run circles around the LW. I'm a Harley fanboy so had no interest in an Energica but I'm not afraid to say it is a better bike. I do believe the LW will be discontinued as soon as Harley gets some of their concepts off the drawing board and on the streets. They need cheaper electric models and I can even see them coming out with a scooter type EV.BMW has a nice scooter EV perfect for urban transportation. I do give credit to Harley for being the first major out with an electric bike but I also see when the other major companies come out with their EVs they will be just as good as anything HD puts out.
 

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Mac Mike,

Please know there was no sarcasm in my last response. I really do appreciate differing opinions. Given all the modifications you've done on your Livewire, maybe you're an engineer as well? If so, you know engineers thrive by keeping an open mind to differing ideas, whether or not we agree with them all. It's a career trap; well, for all the talented and sought-after engineers I know.

As for my opinion (for what it's worth), I see it problematic we're drawing conclusions from magazines, online articles, Harley advertising terminology..., and not directly from the only people who know. My decision to engage Harley Davidson Management directly (obviously well above Store Managers, who frankly don't know either) is the only possible way I know to even attempt to find out the truth.

Meanwhile, please don't see my using the term "debate" as anything but healthy engagement in a conversation that clearly has some level of interest by anyone who owns a Livewire and on this forum. And looking at the mods you've made to your Livewire, it's clear you like your Harley. In fact, you have some great ideas that Harley should consider in any possible 2022 revision(s) to the bike. Whatever "halo" means to Harley Davidson's CEO, two years is a relatively standard model revision window for most new vehicles, obviously excluding iconic models. It's true for all the major auto manufacturers, most new motorcycles (howbeit often minor), and would be appropriate for the Livewire as well. For starters, not having to pull the entire battery out of the bike with a cherry picker to service it would be a nice revision. And maybe add some mileage on it too, as my real hope is to upgrade as (if) they improve it.

Mike Mike, I really do think of this as a healthy debate, where the term "debate" is not a bad one. As noted above, it's the source of the information we're debating that I think needs more thought.

Again, thank you for your thoughts. I like that you know more than me about the EV's Zero and Energica have made, as well as that company you pointed out that crashed and burned (Victory? ...kind of funny that name didn't hold meaning). Hopefully, Harley's sales surpassing all other US EV motorcycles means something good is on the horizon for the Livewire. As for China, it will be some time before they can really compete with Tesla, their main target. Research current Chinese electric bikes, and you'll know they have a very long way to go to catch-up with Harley's Livewire as well. But with industrial espionage and mass purchases from China continuing as historically true, they'll eventually make something nice. But if you ask me, the news continually points to the fact that they're chasing after Apple and Tesla much harder than Harley Davidson. I'm not even sure they care to make anything like a Livewire with limited sales; China is not wired for small business.

Again, please know I value your and all opinions shared on this site. If I lived in TX, I'd want to grab lunch with you in a Covid-19 safe environment. I really enjoy thoughtful exchanges.

Hope you (and everybody who reads this) has a great start to your (respective) 2021! Meanwhile, I'll continue to reach out directly to Harley. I'm often called relentless and will eventually get a response and gladly share it when I do. This subject is one we'll all be following, regardless.

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I'm not here to debate anything I'm just stating my views on HD. I have no problems with anyones position or views.I just state my view of things related to others positions on the Livewire and HD. We are on the Livewire forum after all.

As for the LW Harley has always stated it is a halo product as I have mentioned many times before. So that statement by HD may be it may not be around for any length of time. Halo products are used to bring people in and see what is available. Harley's mistake was not having anything to back up the LW,as in other EVs, and over pricing the bike. Harley forgot Zero and Energica were already selling electric bike when they came out with Project Livewire in 2014. As I've mentioned countless times in this forum the Energica bikes run circles around the LW. I'm a Harley fanboy so had no interest in an Energica but I'm not afraid to say it is a better bike. I do believe the LW will be discontinued as soon as Harley gets some of their concepts off the drawing board and on the streets. They need cheaper electric models and I can even see them coming out with a scooter type EV.BMW has a nice scooter EV perfect for urban transportation. I do give credit to Harley for being the first major out with an electric bike but I also see when the other major companies come out with their EVs they will be just as good as anything HD puts out.
Well I feel a little better. 2021 Livewires coming out this summer (thanks for pointing that out). That implies (to me at least) that there is some sort of an upgrade to them. I still have my fingers crossed for Level 2 charging that I can retro-fit on my bike.
 

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Well, I guess I am odd man out. I've not needed level 2 or 3 charging in 800 kms, and I'm entirely OK with having a Collectible One-Year-Only Edition.

As long as HD provides the 2020 LW with parts and service for at least 5 years*, I will consider myself ahead of the game :)

*...and even if HD doesn't - this bike is Pure Acceleration Magic for as long as it lasts!
 
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