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Europe will soon be implementing carbon limits on motorcycles, similar to the CAFE regulations we see US car makers struggling against. One single Zero emission vehicle reduces carbon count across the entire model range, so even if the Livewire is woefully overpriced and sells in single digits it wont matter becasue its done the duty of dropping carbon outputs.

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Do you think this is bound to happen in america anytime soon?
It wouldn't surprise me. We already see California bikes with limits imposed by CARB (charcoal cannister for example), not exactly the same but its the first baby steps. We already have CAFE ratings for all the auto players, bikes are a step away.... There are already soft targets... Like every god dam bike being sold SUPER lean....
 

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I think that it is quite possible that HD was thinking about these future regulations when it started to design this bike. They won't be happy with it not selling though. They still want it to be a success though. Would they have built it without these new regulations kicking in? Maybe not. But now that they are building it, they are going to want it to be the best it can be.

Guess those regulations are doing pretty much what the government wants them to.
 

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It wouldn't surprise me. We already see California bikes with limits imposed by CARB (charcoal cannister for example), not exactly the same but its the first baby steps. We already have CAFE ratings for all the auto players, bikes are a step away.... There are already soft targets... Like every god dam bike being sold SUPER lean....
wow, that just goes to show how much american's are on it, seems like now it's only a matter of time till it's implemented elsewhere in the US and even their neighbors up north... Canada

I think that it is quite possible that HD was thinking about these future regulations when it started to design this bike. They won't be happy with it not selling though. They still want it to be a success though. Would they have built it without these new regulations kicking in? Maybe not. But now that they are building it, they are going to want it to be the best it can be.

Guess those regulations are doing pretty much what the government wants them to.
The fact is that they did, all companies that make products like this that have a long development stage must do this, no point coming out with something years from now only to find out that within the same time it's out some regulation sends them back to the drawing board.
 

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The regulations are just artificial manipulation by a government entity. It forces corporations and consumers into losing trades because the government has distorted the true wants and needs of the market. You end up with compliance products that are net losers for the company and woefully inferior for the consumer.
 

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The regulations are just artificial manipulation by a government entity. It forces corporations and consumers into losing trades because the government has distorted the true wants and needs of the market. You end up with compliance products that are net losers for the company and woefully inferior for the consumer.
That is the worst case scenario.

Companies could be forced to broaden their model lineup. At first this may be difficult growing pains, but with some work the products can become something more profitable and established. It's a matter of how much effort and care companies put into the vehicles.

Maybe its not the best solution, but sometimes forcing companies to go in a new direction can be a good step in getting them to spend more money on research and development.
 

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That is the worst case scenario.

Companies could be forced to broaden their model lineup. At first this may be difficult growing pains, but with some work the products can become something more profitable and established. It's a matter of how much effort and care companies put into the vehicles.

Maybe its not the best solution, but sometimes forcing companies to go in a new direction can be a good step in getting them to spend more money on research and development.
It distorts the marketplace and creates artificial demands. You don't need to force a company to expand its model line if thats what the consumer is clamouring for, dont worry the manufacturers will build that 8 days a week. Forcing a company into one narrow tranche actually does not broaden scope one bit, it shoehorns it into one small segment of the marketplace that the government has deemed relevant, what that does is limit the scope of true innovation. Companies no longer need to look for relevant and disruptive solutions because .gov simply Dues Ex Machina's their product cadence.

It breeds a culture of complete dependence. The consumer looks to .gov for their ideal behavors and beliefs and the companies look to .gov for their next feeding frenzy. The worst part is we're expected to believe the government knows what's best for the entire consuming public when they can't even pay their bills on time...
 

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Sadly I don't see that slowing down, I have a feeling the masses will always be stuck in that circle till they see the better side.
 
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