[xophere]

Interesting the difference in body weight really showed up but the bikes were very close otherwise.

Amazing how much they just got wrong about the video. I was really confused what he was talking about haptic feed back for the breaks unless he was talking about the whine in relation to regen?

 

[xophere]

I guess the motor noise is artificial. Must not be related to spinning cause you don't hear it when regen is off. So I guess that is a type of haptic feedback. Did you see the top gear yet of the 74? Combo battery and fuel cell. But the of part was either that car or the second one they drive had fake engine noise and fake shifting. So confusing. The trick isn't too pretend to be an ICE vehicle but to figure out what other control we can have now that gears and clutches are a thing of the past.

 

[Phaedrus]

The haptic feedback is just the pulse you feel when the bike is on, to let you know it is going to move if you twist the throttle.

 

[xophere]

Right but in the video he specifically mentions the braking but I think he means engine braking. I hadn't thought that the regen noise was fake. Of course it must be as the motor is never disconnected and my scooter had it and never changed sounds. So both the application of power and generation of power is noisy. Maybe even had a feel to it that isn't required. But does make you have a clearer sense how the machine is working. Completely unnecessary accept perhaps for the chimp who is used to loud makes it go at the controls.... It is very well done in this way and probably what makes it a better bike. Funny to think of Harley as a company that understands machine interfacing but I guess in a way they are experts at it.

 

[Phaedrus]

Neat video, and fun to watch. But they are learning about the bike too. E.g. their reference to Level 2 charging, when we know the Livewire is 1 and 3.

But, haptic is only for power on when the bike is not moving. The whirr while riding is just drivetrain noise, albeit the design was done to give a noise the design team liked. And, there shouldn't be any pulsing during braking. That would be a pad/rotor problem.

 

[Travesty]

I saw a video this week from "Queensit" on youtube and she states at the start of the video the L1 charging takes 30-40 hours! I had to correct her in the comments. She also stated that it had L2 charging. Other than that it was an interesting video.

 

[xophere]

Ugh. Even well known motorcycle reviewers make these mistakes much less random folks. I think all charging twisted reviews from non ev owning daily riding and driving reviews are suspect. The chassis and the motorcycle part sure. But you don't get charging and what it is like to you live it. Totally agree they are making a valid comparison but it isn't accurate as there is a different perspective with this reality. They only see it from the ICE reference. Ev ownership is much more about the device aligning with your lifestyle. How do you really use it? Even when can you change it. I pay $.07 a kWh between 9pm and 7am. Then it goes up to $.13. Then at 5pm it goes to $.32. The cost recovery on the battery has at 5 time variation depending on if I can charge it at night. If I had a solar array... There are so many sennrios that change how it plays out. They can't even get the specs right.

 

[Travesty]

Not to mention all the free charging out there. Not too much free petrol around . I plan on riding my bike to work 40kms charging it there for free through my shift and then riding it home and still having enough charge to get back to work for a free fill up the next day

 

[xophere]

Totally. I have hit several free high speed charging stations around here. Hard to beat that.