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Really considering putting in a DC fast charger at home

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The L1 charging rate is pathetic and understandable. Capping the L2 charging rate at pretty much the L1 rate is not. So at this point I've been really considering putting in the Setec 10kW fast charger for home.

Theoretically this would give me the ability to charge from 0-100% in about 90 min. Maybe a bit longer if the charge rate starts to taper when near full.

What I find happen with my usage is I go out for a spirited ride, come home, and my battery level is low enough it really inhibits my ability to use the bike until the next day unless I just want to putter about locally and keep the speeds low. So basically the bike becomes a one and done for me unless I seek out an L3 charger which I don't have near me and sitting around for 40-50 min the hot Texas sun, is not how I want to spend my day.

So I've been seriously looking into the Setec. It has the ability to dial back the max charge rate from 10kW down to almost nothing. So I can balance how quickly I need to charge with the additional wear of the battery pack. Regardless it will still be less stress than going to a normal L3 charger which from what I understand the LW can only take a max of 25kW charge rate anyway.

So basically I could add about 1% charge per minute at max input. Or basically about a mile for every minute of charge based on my overall riding energy usage. This is a game changer for how I could use the bike. At home all I would need to do is replace one of my Tesla charges with this Setec and use my CCS adapter to charge the smaller Tesla. It would charge faster than the mobile charger I am using so a win/win.

The price is $2790 shipped to my door with a 2 year warranty. Even that isn't as bad as it seems. The electric vehicle charging station credit is back in the IRA bill that just passed. So I can deduct 30%, up to $1k, off my taxes. That puts me at about $1953 net to do this. I won't have to do any rewiring of my existing install. I already have a 60 amp circuit in place.

So it seems like a good option to circumvent the lack of faster L2 charging without a lot of additional stress on the battery pack. I can dial it up or down as I need it. This should significantly expand the usability of my bike by reducing the charging window when needed. When I have time, I'll just dial the charge rate back to 2kW or so. When needed a quicker top off, just dial it up.
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I don't think I would ever buy this but it would be really cool to know. This price isn't horrible. So full charge in like 2.3 hrs?
I by NO MEANS am good at math, but doesn't 6kW (on the high end) seem more like 4.6 - 5hrs?
granted, that's nothing to smirk at, considering the typical 11-12 hrs.
Oh show your work then! :) I have no idea. I assumed 13 KW of usable battery and variable slowing speed? But if there is a better way to understand. I would assume the slop off is not the same as with the 22kw I get at a public charger. I presume it holds the 6 most of the time? varying with temp and charge state etc etc.
I hope the connection is stable given all the issues with the public charging system. Be really cool if this was a real option for slow level 3. Looking forward to hearing what your performance is like.
This idea could be really cool for a car like the leaf as CHAdeMO becomes less common. Might some day justify my purchase. Though the leaf at 6kWh L2w.
But have you tested on the LW yet? I don't know if the spark is as picky as the LW is about L3 charging connections. Oddly I did have my dad's leaf fail at the free airport L2 charging. But I presume that could have been poorly maintained charging stations.
Only 212 for me but i5 f that. More like 350 down the coast...
ok, so your only 400 miles away. 😁
But when it warms up if you want to come spend the day on it mine is listed on twisted road. And the dealer her almost always has one in stock and they have demo bike.
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Looks interesting but probably will cost more than it is worth to me. The LW is just a specific use case I am trying to find a solution for at a price point that is worth it to me.

If it has faster L2 charging, I'd be happy, even if it I had to give up L3 charging. This is not a bike I plan to ride 500 miles in a day. The Experia would be a much better option for something like that.

The lack of fast L2 charging is my main area of buyer's remorse about the bike. That and the crappy rear shock annoys me more every day.
Grumpy Grumpy! My guess is the DelMar will better fit your use case if the range is good enough. I think it would have me for sure though because of the PNW the full rain fenders are possibly a good thing.
Yeah, they are not cheap hardware.

I would love to test my unit with a Livewire to know if I should market it here, anybody reasonably close to Southern Oregon that would like to help me test it?
Man I am in PDX. I almost don't want to know. Could be very bad for my wallet. What you should do is sell it to paradise HD in Portland. Idiots. I would meet you in in Eugene. More then that is too far for the knowledge.
Some day Waves will give us the answer though... Any day now dude... Where are your priorities?
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Lets see what he finds first and of course when this crap weather clears up to the normal dreary winter.
I'll meet ya in Eugene, it would be a worth while experiment.
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Uhoh.. If it works gonna be an bunch of livewires riding around with a big ugly box strapped to the passenger seat... L2->L3 baby! And people say my LWing is silly looking...
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If it does work and people are using LW's to ride around a lot during the day this makes a ton of sense. Ideally closer to $2K but whatever. If you need it you need it. If it maintains 6+kWh per hour it would certainly be a big deal. If it could do 10 like my Griz-E L2 in my garage and maintain it you have 2 hour charging. Be curious to see how it works for sure.
Maybe a Uni-go trailer to haul it. Throw some camping gear in the trailer too and saddlebags or top box, then attempt a Cannonball using only FREE chargers and camping the entire way :) Super cheap vacation.

Oh I like the uni trailer. I rode 1700 miles from Portland to Tucson with a Bob trailer behind my bike. I wonder how hard the hitch installations are. Frick I can only imagine what moving the bike around is like. Have you ever ridden with one? I wonder how much range you would lose. Second battery pack? :)
Then you haven't been reading the other threads.
Ugh dude that is totally crap. Thoughts with you. Well you have a garage full of fun to motivate on recovery and pt.

I guess if we are gonna find out I might be heading to Eugene to meet up with our friend from southern Oregon.
Hooked up to a 10Kw L2 or a standard 14-50 outlet I have seen charging rates as high as 8.6kw. obviously you have to dial it down if plugged into a smaller supply such as a 6.6... it obviously cannot put out more than it takes in lol.
What infrastructure would we need to test the device?
OK so what weekends would work for you? I am sure we can fine a working L2 somewhere in Eugene. I think the only 14-50 outlet I have access to inside there. So once we find a weekend we can research and get a good location. I can arrive at like 50% charge and we can see what rates we get. Hopefully we can find a 6-10kWh unit and test with decent speed. DM me and I can get you my contact info.
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I am still planning on it. Considering Ashland at the end of the month or a trip to Eugene. But haven't sorted it out yet.
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