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Went for a ride last night through town to go to class. Was in the low 30's but dry. Traffic, pot holes, twisty mt roads. I know my joy at riding it is mixed with being back on a motorcycle but it just is so easy and manageable at the same time as being exhilarating. Harley built such a great bike but really didn't understand it. Or maybe they did but it was too hard to sell it. I guess I am lucky they didn't as I certainly wouldn't have spent $28K on it.

I think some of the Del Mar marketing is closer to the truth about it. Simple yet all the intensity of the gas bikes. I think the real issue is that all the reviewers don't keep them long enough to get it. They are all looking at how it fits in a gas bike box. And it just doesn't. It isn't the same thing. I suppose that is genius of tesla that they manage to build something better that mostly fit in the same box. I suppose that is the charging network. It will be interesting if there are ccs adapters at the super charger stations soon. But also just the really big batteries.

For my life in a city. Where it would be a very odd day that I needed to ride more then 50 miles. It is perfect. And Level 3 is plenty for when I do. It won't let me easily ride down the coast to SF. I could do it but it isn't that bike. It is a pretty perfect city bike. It could be light and have better options for storage.

I think the thing to get is that EV's aren't going to be the same as ice vehicles. They will actually be way more flexible. So you will need to see how each one might work for you. This really is a great bike for me.

I think livewire should take the first 30 Del Mar's and give then to motorcycle press for 6 months. These dumb group rides they take them on make no sense. They need to understand how great it is to live with. Sure there are some people that it isn't a match for. But there are a bunch of you here with garages full of gas bikes and you ride your Livewire's. That is the thing Livewire needs to capture if they want to survive.

The pleasure of a bike. No gas stations. Almost no maintenance. No shifting. Great ride.
 

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Yeah I can't wait to put some miles on mine. I was excited for the bike when I first heard about it but $37,300 CND MSRP was more than I was willing to pay. To be clear, I'm not saying it's too much or not worth it, just more than I was willing to pay at the time for my first Harley.

I think if more people knew about applications like ABRP and could actually see how little time it would take to fast charge on your ride more people may have adopted it. I was looking at a route around the southern half of my province and according to ABRP it would take me 10 hours to go 661kms including 2 hours and 40 mins of charging. Now if I was to do the same 661kms on my ICE bike it would still likely take the same amount of time once you factor in stopping for meals, gas/coffee, site seeing and butt breaks. Would cost more than 2x the price to do that on my Mean Streak though. Come on Spring!
 

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As an electric car driver I get the LiveWire and want one desperately as I've sold my ICE bike but the price of these things being more than a slightly used Nissan Leaf make it hard to commit. If it had a surfboard rack I'd buy one tomorrow. I just need a way to get myself and my board 15 miles to and from the beach.
 

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100% I’m looking at some for $16k with low miles in a couple weeks. My one question I can’t answer online is whether I’ll like the 30” seat height I’m used to my Honda Fury with a 26” height and I’m short 5’6” with a 30” inseam so don’t want to feel like I’m always on tip toes. Also can’t find any reviews of anyone who has put some miles on one to see how battery degradation is on my Leaf I lost quite a bit of range after 5 years of driving and they replaced the battery under warranty thankfully. But it still degrades over time. Also can’t find any info on battery replacement cost but I assume that will go down by the time I’d need a battery.
 

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Here is a short video of a guy comparing his sons livewire with 15,000 miles on it to his with 2500 miles they left with same charge and rode together. There is no measurable degradation. You might be able to get one still under warranty. I was able to buy a 3 year unlimited mileage warranty with mine. I'm 5' 10 but have a short inseam 27 inches and haven't had a problem with the height. I have the low profile seat on mine though so that may make a difference. LiveWire battery deg after 15k
 

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Thank you so much this is the info I couldn’t get from Googling I should have asked ChatGPT instead ha! Yeah I read the warranty transfers for free here in California and goes up to 5 years for the battery unlimited miles and 2 years on the rest.
 

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As an electric car driver I get the LiveWire and want one desperately as I've sold my ICE bike but the price of these things being more than a slightly used Nissan Leaf make it hard to commit. If it had a surfboard rack I'd buy one tomorrow. I just need a way to get myself and my board 15 miles to and from the beach.
Maybe this will work :) Looks like a pretty easy thing to DIY.
Surfstitch Surfboard rack.
 

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Maybe this will work :) Looks like a pretty easy thing to DIY.
Surfstitch Surfboard rack.
I got one online before and as I assembled it didn’t work with my frame or they sent me the wrong parts but even with the right parts they had the lengths wrong to get it to where I couldn’t turn the bike or even get my leg between the board and the bike. This was for a bicycle though so… I’m no machinist nothing is easy DIY for me I still wear Velcro shoes lol
 

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I got one online before and as I assembled it didn’t work with my frame or they sent me the wrong parts but even with the right parts they had the lengths wrong to get it to where I couldn’t turn the bike or even get my leg between the board and the bike. This was for a bicycle though so… I’m no machinist nothing is easy DIY for me I still wear Velcro shoes lol
Oh I just asked ChatGPT it seems like the stock options out there require a luggage rack to attach to.
 

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I could see that. A 5'2 isn't that much more wind. Then wetsuit and gear? I am looking forward to the photos.
This backpack has wetsuit straps and 60L of storage for the gear. The main concern is will the straps for the board hold it secure enough for riding. It’s meant more for hiking so I’m thinking it’s not going to work but it may work on a bicycle? Anyway I ordered the bag to test it out on a bike when I get it.
 

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100% I’m looking at some for $16k with low miles in a couple weeks. My one question I can’t answer online is whether I’ll like the 30” seat height I’m used to my Honda Fury with a 26” height and I’m short 5’6” with a 30” inseam so don’t want to feel like I’m always on tip toes. Also can’t find any reviews of anyone who has put some miles on one to see how battery degradation is on my Leaf I lost quite a bit of range after 5 years of driving and they replaced the battery under warranty thankfully. But it still degrades over time. Also can’t find any info on battery replacement cost but I assume that will go down by the time I’d need a battery.
I'm 5'8" also with a 30" inseam and my 2020 ELW fits me just fine.
 

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I have to say the more I've ridden my LW, the more I like it but the more I hate the rear suspension. The front I can almost live with but the rear is shite. I absolutely need to find an aftermarket solution.
I wonder if a good sus shop could custom tune it? I mean certainly a different spring. Softer with progression? I don't know how much of the mountain bike world applies here. Mt Bikers are way more sensitive to small and different speed forces/anti squat etc. What is your main complaint? Too harsh?
 

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I have to say the more I've ridden my LW, the more I like it but the more I hate the rear suspension. The front I can almost live with but the rear is shite. I absolutely need to find an aftermarket solution.
I think the problem lies in the direct cantilever construction, which will react less progressive than a more modern suspension with linkage elements that will emulate a progressive spring. Add on top a rather heavy rear wheel and an upright riding position to make things worse.

When I was riding the Livewire last year I was directly thinking of replacing the Michelin Scorcher Sport tires in favor of a tire with better damping properties (I ordered a set Pirelli Rosso IV for mine, but I was told that the Metzeler M9RR may have even better damping properties.) and increasing preload of the shock while reducing compression damping a bit as an attempt of a first simple fix.
I have not yet found an aftermarket shock specifically offered for the Livewire - the stock „Showa Balance free rear cushion lite“ item seems to be the same (except for the color) as that of a (>190 hp) 2020 Suzuki GSX-R 1000 R (see picture), i.e., it might indeed be hard to find an essentially higher quality aftermarket item. I have checked with Öhlins, Bitubo and Wilbers - these companies are not offering anything for the Livewire.

Mechanical engineering courses tell us that reducing unsprung mass might also be option for getting better ride comfort, but weight reduced BST Rapid Tec carbon rims do cost a small fortune and then carbon wheels are not for all street environments.

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