Updated Battery for HD Livewire or Livewire One ??????

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Bill Kemp

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Hello:

Recently I viewed a YouTube video posted by a regular livewire one owner (he does very good videos that are very informative)

In his video he states that Harley will not be further developing the battery packs for the Livewire or Livewire One bikes because of the cost of the battery packs and it being a single source provider. (Toshiba if I recall)

SO

If there is no future development for this battery system should we all have concerns about the value of our bikes taking a plunge.

I can't complain much since I bought mine used last fall and it only had 156 km on it if I recall and I thought only has 330 km on it now. I also got it at a reasonable price of $22,000 Canadian plus taxes rather than the $39,000 plus taxes that it originally sold for.

I love the bike and it is a joy to ride but seeing this video does concern me.

I was hoping that in the next few years Harley would develop a new battery and software that would increase the range and also speed up charging at home or on the road.

My HD Livewire in Orange Fuse is the only electric bike I like the look of. (I like all colours of HD Livewire bikes a as well as the Livewire One bikes.

I just don't like the looks of other electrics and was hoping that as time went on I could update the bike I have rather than get a new one

Any thoughts on this subject.

"Will Harley Davidson update the battery and electronics of the Livewire bikes in the future"

Appreciate any comments

Bill Kemp
Toronto Canada

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Travesty

· #2 · 3 mo ago

Hey Bill,

I believe Samsung made the battery pack. I wouldn't lose any sleep over HD not developing the pack any further. The pack that is in your bike should be good for a very long time. I have only see one youtube video that quoted a price for a replacement pack and that was $8000 but it was from 2+ years ago. By the time your pack is in need of replacement that cost will likely be much lower. Also there is a chance that some 3rd party manufactures could make a pack that will fit it in the future. I recently watched a really great video on youtube where a couple of guys converted a Ducati Monster to Electric and the thing will do 110 MPH and they estimate the range to be good for 200 miles (based on the size of the pack they custom built). They actually ordered the battery cells and built the pack themselves. It cost them about $2000 for the battery cells. Link to that video here.

The next LiveWire, the S2 Del Mar is due out this year and according to the website will have slower L2 charging and less range than our LiveWire's. Only 177 KMs in the City and will take 75 minutes to charge 20-80% Link to Del Mar Here

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Bill Kemp

Discussion Starter · #3 · 3 mo ago

Thanks for the info and correction about the batteries being made by Samsung.

I really like the style of my Livewire and do hope that in the future a battery pack will be available to provide 350-400 km range. That would be great.

You could ride for several hours and then charge it at home

Might as well put it on the wish list.

Take care

Bill

PS. It is snowing here now in Toronto and supposed to be like that all week long so it is time to watch videos I guess between exercising with the shovel. 😩😩😩

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Krylov

· #4 · 3 mo ago

I came across this company Enevate here: These guys appear to have a new Lithium battery technology good for a c-rate of 5 and they show in the movie some dc charging of a Lightning motorcycle at >100 kW, i.e., 10 kWh in 6,47 minutes. Now that would be something to look forward to, but I think this would also require a new power electronics setup and not just replacing the battery…

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Bill Kemp

Discussion Starter · #5 · 2 mo ago

That is interesting info about the evolution of batteries.

Here in Ontario Canada Volkswagen is going to build a battery production plant. I am sure our government supplemented this venture but at least it is a step in the right direction as the charging stations here are limited in my opinion. Lots of Level 2 but very few level 3 ones.

With Volkswagen building batteries here perhaps it will inspire more charging stations to be put in place.

Also perhaps in the next 3-5 years there will be batteries that will allow our motorcycles a range of 400 km. That would be awesome as I could ride most of the day and do the trips I normally do without every having to charge the bike or worry about finding a place to charge it at.

Some places here in Ontario charge $20 per hour for level 3 charging which is gouging us in my opinion.

Let's hope for a great future

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Travesty

· #6 · 2 mo ago

I believe the whole Electrify America / Electrify Canada networks were created by Volkswagen Group as penance for the Diesel Gate fiasco. Check out the Plugshare app there may be more L3 stations near you than you realize.

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